Talk:Loptr/@comment-1971498-20141231170221/@comment-1971498-20150101002316

2.101.49.244 wrote:

''"Glamor says something along the lines: "Come Sovereign One... Loptr demands your presence... If you survive  the journey inside.". It sounds like Glamor was counting on Loki being digested (or otherwise killed), why would she take such a risk of death if she wanted to bring him to Loptr? There's also the fact that Glamor's going to Paradiso. If she was going to take Loki to Loptr, then why did she do that and not fly straight to Fimbulvntr? If Loptr wanted her there she'd likely be granted access and not have to retreat to the angelic realm. When Glamor loses, she doesn't seem very bothered that Loki was going to be dragged down to Inferno with her.  And you're completely ignoring the fact both Valor and Glamor say that Loki CANNOT be allowed to reach the mountain at all. But that's where Loptr resides. If Loptr's using them, why do they have such persistence that he can't reach Fimbulvntr? Hell, wouldn't it be easier if they let Loki and Bayonetta reach the mountain? That way, they could lose less members whilst also getting the Sovereign Power and Left Eye to Fimbulvntr. Glamor destroys the bridge to the cathedral of cascades, whilst Valor destroys the Bridge to the Heavens, both which would get them to Fimbulvntr quickly.''

Actually you're right, this is what bothers me about the theory that the angels were trying to actually help Loptr. Continuously throughout the story they kept preventing Loki and Bayonetta from reaching Fimbulventr, which completely goes against Loptr's plans. I felt that Loptr's greatest pawn was Balder in this case, especially since he was the only one who was actively conversing and dealing with him. Glamor and Valor's constant intervention surely wouldn't have benefited Loptr. In fact, the argument that Loptr didn't want Loki near him because of his ability to oppose him falls flat because Loptr was shown as being oblivious to this and obviously wanted Loki to fall into his hands. I think that the only reason why Loptr didn't mind Balder killing Loki is because his soul could very easily reincarnate into the future. It would make sense as well since Balder only wanted to kill Loki which leaves his soul intact, unlike the angels who wanted to take him into Paradiso for good. In this regard it was literally "only a matter of time" until Loptr made contact with Loki again, be it now or hundreds of years later in the future.