Talk:Madama Styx/@comment-24572029-20140915121233/@comment-24572029-20140915165433

We don't know if it was down to their combat alone that made them beat the lumen, since we don't know much about the lumens own teachings.

Though i think the umbra's were more versed in combat than lumen, and yes using bullets on their hands and heels how could u lose?

Though i think the Umbra on a whole is more powerful. Not just from combat, but like their wicked weave as well. Using their hair as a catalyst than feathers like the lumen means they could interweave their umbran powers into their combat easier. Plus mentally they are stronger too. I think it said somewhere that they were more cunning and such, and seeing how bayonetta could easliy come up with plans and brutal punishments in a blink of an eye might highlight how the umbras were just that much more...cunning..lol. Though can't wait to see more of the lumen sage and learn more aoout the lumens in Bayonetta 2. I defo want to know how the clan wars went down aswell lol, we should be exploring that aswell in bayo 2.