Talk:Loptr/@comment-1971498-20141231170221/@comment-1971498-20141231220202

@TheGrudge154:

I can see how that works with the demons and I did factor that as the demons simply going out of hand due to the lack of a Right Eye properly moderating their activities.

With regards to point 1 about the angels though, that's what I mean. I recognize that Jubileus were the angels' endgame, heck it's pretty much spelled out since the first Bayonetta game. Rather in light of point 2, I just don't think that their actions work in coincided with Loptr at all. In light them being fooled by Loptr, do realize that a good plan doesn't necessarily that everything goes according to plan, but rather it should have the flexibility to adapt against new opposing elements (in this case, the angels).

Yeah, the last segments about the angels and demons converging on Fimbulventr is where I derived my theory from, so I'm glad it makes sense in terms of the final segments of the game. Still, I feel that an alliance with Loptr doesn't make much sense in the way of their endgame being in favor of Paradiso throughout the entire series (e.g. the revival of Jubileus in the first game), especially since Loptr planned to rule over the Trinity of Realities as the new God of Chaos with Aesir's power.

I'll admit, I remain unconvinced that the angels were actively working with Loptr. I'd be curious as to what the newest art book has to say about that though, especially since the artbook for the first game clarified certain details that weren't mentioned in the game itself. I do conced that the demons's animosity had nothing to do with Loptr, but so far I think there's still enough evidence to say that the angels actually opposed Loptr especially considering their persistence in trying to prevent Loki and Bayonetta from reaching the Fimbulventr.